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Post by hydroshock on Oct 12, 2009 14:56:34 GMT -6
Sorry bro but I have to disagree with you here, Schaub was really on for the majority of the game and showed a lot of poise standing in the pocket with pressure coming. All in the second half. I will watch the game again because I am crazy like that, and it will probably be reaired this week on NFL Network, but Schaub had errant passes all day long thatw ere not on point. It was not just the Dressen throw that was off. All day he was too fast and too slow and his timing was horrible on the majority of passes outside of the 4th Quarter/2nd half. I am refering to the fact that he is normally very accurate with his throws and in this game he looked like he was on an entire different page than the rest of the team. He also did not get a pocket to pass in for the majority of the first half. Schaub is a big part of the reason we were having issues in the first half, but that is just my opinion. Ok I can see your point about the first half because he wasn't stellar but he didn't completely suck either, and that's not exactly the same as the majority of the game imo. The whole offense was out of sync in the first half but you're right, it all starts with him. Still, in the second half he played pretty well except for that stupid int and the over throw to Dreesen. It just so happens those plays cost us the game, along with terrible short yardage run blocking as usual. .02
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Post by ab on Oct 12, 2009 18:40:53 GMT -6
I agree that the throw to Dreesen was high but at the same time he was about 2 feet too far in the back of the endzone. If his feet are where they need to be... TD.
The QB cant always be accurate when he's on the run. Thats what makes an Owen Daniels the starter and Dreesen the backup. JMO.
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Post by hydroshock on Oct 12, 2009 21:21:27 GMT -6
I agree that the throw to Dreesen was high but at the same time he was about 2 feet too far in the back of the endzone. If his feet are where they need to be... TD. The QB cant always be accurate when he's on the run. Thats what makes an Owen Daniels the starter and Dreesen the backup. JMO. true, and Dreesen said just that. It was just a play we misfired on that should've been a score, and unfortunately there are no redos.
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Post by ab on Oct 12, 2009 22:10:17 GMT -6
Oh he did? Where on ht.com? I'll have to go check it out.
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Post by texansaint on Oct 13, 2009 10:59:41 GMT -6
The QB cant always be accurate when he's on the run. Thats what makes an Owen Daniels the starter and Dreesen the backup. JMO. Why was Schaub running for his life though? He threw it off his back foot while he was falling down like he was about to get slammed by a rusher. Nobody was around Schaub to explain why he couldn't set his feet and throw a solid pass, the only explination I can think of is the fact that he was probably shocked Dressen was so open and rushed it.
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Post by ab on Oct 13, 2009 12:38:28 GMT -6
Maybe that or maybe the fact he's just not that good of a runner some QBs arent. He felt pressure and moved out of the pocket. Schaub is not the quickest QB on his feet.
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Post by hydroshock on Oct 14, 2009 17:23:27 GMT -6
Oh he did? Where on ht.com? I'll have to go check it out. It was at the tail end of one of the post-game interview questions. over at .com I think he was trying to be diplomatic and deflect blame away from Schaub but he said he didn't do a good job of getting both feet in.
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Post by thaschaub on Oct 18, 2009 18:28:56 GMT -6
Really the only thing I notice is the fact of how we tend to make stupid decisions when we're winning.
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Post by ab on Oct 18, 2009 18:33:01 GMT -6
Yeah that dejavu int he almost had was one. That play needs to be taken out of the book.
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Post by thaschaub on Oct 18, 2009 18:35:21 GMT -6
Yeah, it was the same exact play that we had the pick-six for. If you are going to run an out route, you've got to either catch Johnson at the out of bounds line or as he's going into the route. These lax out route passes are poison.
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Post by hydroshock on Oct 18, 2009 18:36:12 GMT -6
Yeah there were definitely a few times in the game where I was thinking, oh shit here we go again. But we rallied and played like a team hell bent on not letting one slip away. Even the run game stepped up today and made some key plays when it counted.
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Post by ab on Oct 18, 2009 18:37:40 GMT -6
The thing is as much as I love Schaub he doesnt have the arm strength for that pass. You gotta put some zip behind it and thats just not his forte. He's accurate as hell, but just not the strongest arm.
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Post by thaschaub on Oct 18, 2009 18:37:53 GMT -6
Yeah, I kept thinking "oh shit" the whole time.
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Post by ab on Oct 18, 2009 18:39:02 GMT -6
Yeah man me too. Luckily the dude dropped it.
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Post by thegoat on Oct 18, 2009 20:03:44 GMT -6
Im not sure if its the arm strength, or he is just waiting too long to throw it on the out route. You gotta throw the out route before the WR makes the break.
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Post by thaschaub on Oct 18, 2009 20:32:38 GMT -6
Yeah, whatever it is we need to quit the out routes.
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Post by ab on Oct 18, 2009 22:52:55 GMT -6
Im not sure if its the arm strength, or he is just waiting too long to throw it on the out route. You gotta throw the out route before the WR makes the break. The reason why I question his arm strength is b/c in earlier games he would put it down the field and the receiver would have to slow down and get under it. The pass is on point accuracy wise just under thrown.
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Post by mrcommissioner on Oct 19, 2009 5:10:46 GMT -6
when you have DBs jumping on the out route, it means you use the fake out/arm pump and go up the field for a bomb when the DB breaks.
football is all about moves and countermoves, tendencies and breaking tendencies.
watch for this in the future.
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Post by texansaint on Oct 19, 2009 8:44:55 GMT -6
The thing is as much as I love Schaub he doesnt have the arm strength for that pass. You gotta put some zip behind it and thats just not his forte. He's accurate as hell, but just not the strongest arm. He has the arm strength to make that throw, just not from the opposite hash that he keeps trying to cross the field from. The extra flight on the ball gives the corner just enough time to jump the route if he reads it well enough. If Schaub is going to throw those out routes I would rather see him throw it UP to AJ ratehr than directly on his numbers and low enough where the corner can jump in front of it. Make them out jump AJ and I would bet 98% of the time AJ comes down with it.
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Post by ab on Oct 19, 2009 8:52:31 GMT -6
The thing is as much as I love Schaub he doesnt have the arm strength for that pass. You gotta put some zip behind it and thats just not his forte. He's accurate as hell, but just not the strongest arm. He has the arm strength to make that throw, just not from the opposite hash that he keeps trying to cross the field from. The extra flight on the ball gives the corner just enough time to jump the route if he reads it well enough. If Schaub is going to throw those out routes I would rather see him throw it UP to AJ ratehr than directly on his numbers and low enough where the corner can jump in front of it. Make them out jump AJ and I would bet 98% of the time AJ comes down with it. I agree to a point but what I'm saying is I dont feel he has the fast ball strength. I'm talking about thatBrett Favre break your ribs on a straight line strength. Thats why I dont like that play. The last two weeks weve seen it twice with Schaub and once with Big Ben and all three had the same result.
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