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Post by thegoat on Oct 4, 2009 17:31:11 GMT -6
those ppl are fucking retards. We did exactly what we are supposed to do with a big lead. You run the ball and eat some clock while your defense continues to make plays. Those retards over there continue to prove just how dumb they are and how they will bitch about everything win or lose. Fake ass fans.
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Post by hydroshock on Oct 4, 2009 20:43:18 GMT -6
those ppl are effing retards. We did exactly what we are supposed to do with a big lead. You run the ball and eat some clock while your defense continues to make plays. Those retards over there continue to prove just how dumb they are and how they will bitch about everything win or lose. Fake ass fans. No doubt. This aint college ball.....pfft.
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Post by mrcommissioner on Oct 5, 2009 19:54:33 GMT -6
especially when the coach immediately said after the game that they were working on the run game, practicing and getting film to study vs a real time opponent.
Yes they will always find something to bitch about over there.
We could win 3 super bowls and then lose a preseason game and they'd be wanting to fire everyone.
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Post by ab on Oct 5, 2009 22:19:04 GMT -6
We won and we won big but I'm still concerned about our secondary. Oakland sucks on offense. Russel missed some wide open guys and they had some dropped passes as well. The thing is since I havent been on here in a while one thing I noticed especially during the Jax game was our front 7 was getting penetration but our secondary(BENNETT) sucks so bad Gerrard was still getting the ball out and completing big passes. Your secondary has to atleast give the fronts an extra second to get there. Arz will be a big test for us this week.
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Post by ab on Oct 5, 2009 22:20:41 GMT -6
BTW our running game looked a little better. I like Moats, always have. 70 yards a game is sufficient enough when you have the WR corp we have.
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Post by thegoat on Oct 6, 2009 6:07:54 GMT -6
Reeves should be back this week, so thats less Fred Bennett we will have to see. Hopefully Wilson is back as well. Having those two guys back will increase our chances. You are right though, this is going to be a huge challenge for our defense. A powerful air attack that has had 2 weeks to prepare. This is going to be a tough one.
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Post by thegoat on Oct 6, 2009 7:54:27 GMT -6
the good news is arizona's offense line is not very good in pass blocking. Hopefully Mario and Smith can get penetration and get in Warner's face. If we are being honest here, our best guys in pass coverage this game are going to be our front 4. If they dont get pressure, Warner will expose our poor secondary. I hope Wilson is back, we will need him.
On Arizona's defensive side, they have been very good against the run. In fact they are like 6th or something. So looks like another tough day for Slaton. We might need to get Chris Brown involved early with some power running. On the bright side, they are horrible in pass coverage. There should be alot of opportunities for Matt to put together some long drives and nice downfield passes. DRC is going to get schooled by AJ this game if they dont have a safety over every play to help him. Look for our receivers to have a big day.
We only need our defense to have an average day. Thats it. If they dont give up big plays and just play ok, we will have a chance. The Cardinals have one of the worst rushing attacks in the league, we need to be in Warner's face all day.
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Post by number34 on Oct 6, 2009 9:41:06 GMT -6
Yea it should be an aerial show when we meet up.
Warner put up 250 +- yards in each of his three games. His 4 INTs is what killed him but we can't count on those with our secondary.
Thier run game IS suspect. They only had one 100 yard game vs Jax. We should be able to contain the run barring any brain farts.
Defensively the Cards fair better against the run for sure. They held Gore to 30 Yards but gave up almost 100 yards to Jax and over a 100 yards to Indy. I believe that with Brown back and Moats good to go we should be able to squeeze out somewhere around 100 yards on the ground.
Schaub should have a good day. The cards defense gave up almost 700 yards in the air vs Indy and Jax with 6 TDs. If Manning and Garrard can do it, Schuab can do it.
The keys to the game will be our running game and our pass defense. If we can get Slaton in gear and put Warner on the turf or pick off his passes a few times then we have a good chance at winning.
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Post by ab on Oct 6, 2009 12:49:04 GMT -6
IMHO I think we should start Moats.
I agree with yall though as far as how we should play these guys.
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Post by hydroshock on Oct 12, 2009 7:51:55 GMT -6
I'm still not completely satisfied with our running game, but its hard to say when we're down 21-0 by half time and forced to throw it 50 times. Slaton is starting to show signs again when he does get the ball in space, so he's doing his part right now, but we're still not very good running the ball between the tackles. Our biggest gains have come outside the tackle box on cut backs or busted plays.
So I guess my new concern is the short yardage game. As much as I like Chris Myers he's simply getting blown up inside. The reason we weren't able to punch it in on the goal line again is because he gets pushed back right off the snap and Brown has nowhere to go. You can see it in the replay on the last play of the Cardinals game that Myers got stood straight up and pushed back, and on the goal line the only way you're going to punch it in is to get low. I can't fault Chris Brown because its impossible to be a good short yardage back if your Center is getting blown up on inside runs because he's too light.
thoughts?
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Post by thegoat on Oct 12, 2009 8:03:37 GMT -6
I cant blame Slaton, the oline is fucking god awful. When Slaton is continually getting tackled by defensive linemen in the backfield, its because our linemen are a joke and are getting blown up over and over again. The pass blocking seems to be better this year, but somehow the run blocking took 2 steps back from last year.
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Post by ab on Oct 12, 2009 8:04:39 GMT -6
Thats what I was telling Gene when he was here watching the game with me. I said our biggest problem on offense is our center. Like you said he is too small. Other than that it's just flat out our defense and offense has not been on the same page all year. When the offense has played well the d has struggled and vice-versa. It's annoying. We are too talented a team to not be 4-1. I say 4-1 b/c we were a guinea pig for the jets in gm.1 but the others there is no excuse.
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Post by thegoat on Oct 12, 2009 8:13:28 GMT -6
I had faith in Myers after last season, but I think you are absolutely right, the guy is just too small and too weak to support the running game.
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Post by hydroshock on Oct 12, 2009 8:26:27 GMT -6
Kubiak knows this too.....
"We have to be good enough to make a yard in the National Football League when it counts and we didn't."
So the question is, what is he going to do about it? If there's one thing I can say about Kubiak its that he's not afraid to shuffle personnel when he sees a glaring problem, even if he's slow to do it sometimes. He was obviously disappointed with our lack of run production in the second half of the Raiders game when we lined up and went toe to toe, and there's no doubt he's pissed that we couldn't punch it in on the goal line again. So will we see more of Chris White, and can he be the answer or are we stuck with this problem for the whole season?
Also, what ever happened to the goal line dive plays where the HB goes over the top?? Emmitt Smith used to be pretty good at that.
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Post by thegoat on Oct 12, 2009 8:32:54 GMT -6
its hard to go over the top when all your linemen are standing straight up and getting pushed into you. I dont think Kubiak has anyone better than Myers to replace him with sadly. Either Myers is going to have to step up and play better, or we are going to have a shitty running game all year.
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Post by texansaint on Oct 12, 2009 8:47:33 GMT -6
I ams till a fan of the idea of having Vonta blow through his own hole if we are dead set on going up the middle. I know it is hindsight, but I think Schaub could have run the ball in instead of passing to Dressen. He had Vonta as a lead blocker for him!!! The fact that he threw the ball as he was falling over really confused me. It looked like an invisible Cardinal player hit him as the released the ball. Did anyone notice how close Schaub got to the "David Carr fetal position" before running the ball? He got hit with a hand and tucked the ball so that he would not lose it when he was sacked, then a few seconds passed and he realized he was not getting sacked and ran for a handful of yards. It was very subtle, but I was worried the announcers were going to call him out on it. Schaub was really off for the majority of the game.
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Post by hydroshock on Oct 12, 2009 9:03:17 GMT -6
I ams till a fan of the idea of having Vonta blow through his own hole if we are dead set on going up the middle. I know it is hindsight, but I think Schaub could have run the ball in instead of passing to Dressen. He had Vonta as a lead blocker for him!!! The fact that he threw the ball as he was falling over really confused me. It looked like an invisible Cardinal player hit him as the released the ball. Did anyone notice how close Schaub got to the "David Carr fetal position" before running the ball? He got hit with a hand and tucked the ball so that he would not lose it when he was sacked, then a few seconds passed and he realized he was not getting sacked and ran for a handful of yards. It was very subtle, but I was worried the announcers were going to call him out on it. Schaub was really off for the majority of the game. Sorry bro but I have to disagree with you here, Schaub was really on for the majority of the game and showed a lot of poise standing in the pocket with pressure coming. If anything he was just being cautious with the ball because turnovers from the QB position have been an achilees heel for us in the past couple of seasons. However, there were exactly two plays that he failed to come through on for us and those were the INT that turned out to be the winning score, and the missed TD pass to Dreessen because he threw on the run and didn't square up his throw. Other than that he had a pretty outstanding game in my opinion.
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Post by thegoat on Oct 12, 2009 10:10:03 GMT -6
Matt is probably one of the worst QBs on his feet, I'd take him throwing it away vice running anyday. That throw to Dressen just boggles the mind. I like how 'fans' are slamming the playcalling as usual, but if Matt makes that throw, the play looks genius.
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Post by texansaint on Oct 12, 2009 10:46:18 GMT -6
Sorry bro but I have to disagree with you here, Schaub was really on for the majority of the game and showed a lot of poise standing in the pocket with pressure coming. All in the second half. I will watch the game again because I am crazy like that, and it will probably be reaired this week on NFL Network, but Schaub had errant passes all day long thatw ere not on point. It was not just the Dressen throw that was off. All day he was too fast and too slow and his timing was horrible on the majority of passes outside of the 4th Quarter/2nd half. I am refering to the fact that he is normally very accurate with his throws and in this game he looked like he was on an entire different page than the rest of the team. He also did not get a pocket to pass in for the majority of the first half. Schaub is a big part of the reason we were having issues in the first half, but that is just my opinion.
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Post by texansaint on Oct 12, 2009 10:47:39 GMT -6
Matt is probably one of the worst QBs on his feet, I'd take him throwing it away vice running anyday. That throw to Dressen just boggles the mind. I like how 'fans' are slamming the playcalling as usual, but if Matt makes that throw, the play looks genius. Option 1: Dressen was alone and wide open. Options 2: Vonta was clearing a path for Schaub to pull the ball in and run. Both of these options would have worked if Schaub had kept his cool!
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