they all need WR's

[hydroshock]

The Jags and Titans definitely need an upgrade at WR which is why they're both talking to Torry Holt, but I have to disagree with you about Indy. Clark is definitely a top tier TE and he's torched us pretty much every time we've played them, and while Gonzales may not be anywhere near the caliber that Harrison was the Colts are still high on him and Peyton seems to be comfortable throwing to him in the slot.....although they still need a #2 guy to replace Harrison so it's still possible they may try to draft at that position, I just don't know if they would be willing to spend a high pick on one. But I suppose if one of those guys falls in their lap they'd be kinda crazy not to take them.

[supermariofan]

i agree with hydro 100%. Clark is a good TE...not sure if he is top 5. but he is one of mannings fav targets for 1st down and in red zone situations. last year was more of wayne's year i believe. but before that clark was the main man for manning. so we will have to see. if he goes back to that. cause all QB's love a good TE.

[hydroshock]

Again I'll have to disagree with you. Clark's production in the first few seasons is a direct reflection of the talent and consistency that the Colts have had at the WR position up until recently (Harrison, Wayne, Stokely), which is why Harrison is a sure fire 1st ballot Hall of Famer, and if Wayne continues to play at a high level he could be too. With that many passes being split between that WR group it's only natural that Clark's production didn't start to increase until Stokely left and Harrison got hurt. As for Gonzales, if Indy wasn't high on him I don't think they would've wasted a 1st round pick on him.....just sayin.

[supermariofan]

Yeah Hydro Is right...Clark Is Pretty Good...He Only Got His Numbers Up Due To Injuries But He Is Makes Alot Big Plays And Red Zone TD's. And Yeah Colts Will Prob Grab WR 2nd Round Or Depending Who Is Left In 1st Round. Jags Will Prob Get Crabtree Or Maclin Or Heyward-Bey Depending On The Outcome. Titans Will Prob Try N Get Holt So They Can Focus On Defense First. There DE's Are Aging So They Will Grab One. But Orlando Pace Is Tryin To Bring Holt To The Bears.

[hydroshock]

8 out of 50 passes.....dude I don't know by what standards you hold good players but you don't give much room for error. I never said Clark was the best but to say he's not very good is a stretch. I mean, do we know what the circumstances were for those passes? Were they easy, in traffic, high, low, on the run? All I'm saying is that stats can be skewed when they can't be put in context.

Yea Peyton Manning makes everyone better but QBs don't catch the balls themselves. A good portion of Manning's stats are due to the exceptional catching abilities of his receivers....you can't tell me you haven't seen Wayne, Harrison, Stokely, AND Clark make some outstanding catches. Again, all I'm saying is the dude is no scrub and he usually TORCHES us.

As for gonzales, I think he's mediocre as well but that's not to say they weren't high on him. You usually don't burn a 1st rounder on a mediocre WR who's not incredibly fast if someone aint high on him for whatever reason.

[hydroshock]

LOL, ok I don't want everyone to get the wrong idea and think I'm a homer for Clark but here's a little something to help prove my point (I hope)

www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80d4af26

now before you say it.....YES, I know it's against the Lions but that's not the point....watch the catches that Clark makes in this game, particularly the one hander at :25 secs, the TD at the back of the endzone at :50 secs (wide open but he had to go up and get it and keep his feet in bounds), and the bullet pass at 2:00 and tell me those weren't impressive.

Like I said, he's not the best but he's not a scrub either.....good enough that I wouldn't complain if he was a Texan.

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btw, that highlight vid was the first hit in a Google search so I didn't have to look very hard.

[hydroshock]

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree